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Message: [QUOTE="Bombastus, post: 91034, member: 2178"] An elliptical filter reduces low-frequency Side content, so the bottom of a stereo mix becomes progressively more mono below its cutoff. Where that filtering happens in the signal chain determines which processors get to react to the bass before it disappears from the Side output. That distinction matters because a processor responds to its input, not to the final signal you eventually hear. Remove Side bass first, and downstream compression, saturation, widening, and excitation never receive that energy. Filter afterward, and those processors can react to it even though the finished low end is later narrowed. This is the practical difference behind [B][URL='https://goldmidi.com/community/threads/panorama-audio-labs-introduced-panoramic.76252/']pre- and post-elliptical filtering[/URL][/B] in a stereo processor. The destination can be similar at the bottom of the spectrum, while the route there produces noticeably different dynamics and harmonic content. [HEADING=2]Pre-filtering keeps bass out of the processing path[/HEADING] Put the elliptical filter before the processing chain, and [B]low-frequency Side energy[/B] is attenuated before it reaches anything downstream. A compressor therefore sees less bass in its input, while a saturator has less low-frequency material available to drive its nonlinear stage. That can make compression calmer. Low frequencies often carry enough level to dominate a broadband detector, so a strong kick, sub note, or wide room thump can trigger gain reduction that affects frequencies far above the bass itself. Removing that Side energy before compression reduces its ability to set the compressor envelope. The important point is that this is not the same as filtering only a compressor sidechain. A detector high-pass can stop bass from triggering compression while still allowing bass through the audio path. A pre-elliptical filter actually removes the low-side content from the signal that enters the following modules. Saturation changes too. Nonlinear processing generates harmonics from whatever reaches it, so filtering first means low-side fundamentals cannot create the same upper overtones they could have produced if they had driven the saturator. The result can sound cleaner because both the bass and its contribution to later processing have been reduced. That distinction becomes useful on masters with unstable stereo subs, roomy kick drums, or bass-heavy effects returns. You can narrow the low end before it starts pushing dynamics and color stages around, rather than asking later processors to cope with information you already intend to remove. [HEADING=2]Post-filtering lets bass shape dynamics and harmonics[/HEADING] Move the elliptical filter after the processing, and the low-side content remains active inside the chain. Compression can respond to it, saturation can generate harmonics from it, and any width control placed earlier can alter its level before the final filter narrows the bottom end. The compressor consequence is easy to underestimate. A bass transient can pull down a broadband Side branch, changing cymbal decay, reverb, guitars, or backing layers at the same moment. The final elliptical filter may remove the bass afterward, but it cannot undo gain reduction that already happened upstream. Saturation creates a different kind of residue. If a low-frequency Side component drives an odd-harmonic saturator, the processor can create new energy at integer multiples of the original frequency. Some of those harmonics can sit above the elliptical filter's cutoff and remain in the Side signal even after the fundamental has been attenuated. That means post-filtering can produce a mono-compatible low foundation while retaining stereo coloration that was generated from the original bass energy. You are not simply delaying the same cleanup operation. You are allowing material that will later be removed to influence audible content that survives. This behavior explains why a post position can feel richer or more animated even when a spectrum analyzer shows little Side energy left in the sub region. The low frequencies have already changed compressor movement and nonlinear output before the filter performs its final narrowing. [HEADING=2]Placement should follow the problem you are solving[/HEADING] Use the pre position when the unwanted Side bass is itself causing downstream trouble. Excessive pumping, unstable low-frequency width, or a saturator that becomes coarse when the sub hits are all reasons to clean that energy before processing. Use post when you like the way the full-range Side signal drives the processing but still want a controlled low-frequency stereo image at the output. This can preserve harmonic movement and dynamic interaction while ensuring the final sub region does not retain the same amount of difference information. The two positions should be level-matched before comparison because changed processing can alter apparent loudness. Listen not only to the bass but also to cymbal sustain, room tone, wide guitars, and reverb tails, since those are where upstream compression and newly generated harmonics can reveal the placement change most clearly. A useful test is to keep every module setting fixed and switch only the filter position. If pre sounds steadier, the bass was probably influencing the processors more than you wanted. If post keeps useful texture without making the bottom unstable, that interaction is doing work worth preserving. [/QUOTE]

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