Occult: What Is Chivanhu and African Traditional Religion?

Bla Jedza

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What is the meaning of 'Chivanhu' and how it relates to African Traditional Religion in Zimbabwe?
 

Queen

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Chivanhu is the folkloric, culture and conduct of Shona people in Zimbabwe (i.e. tsika nemagariro) and furthermore, Chivanhu encompasses operative magick and divining magick as a means of ancestor worship (or the veneration of the dead).
 

Bla Jedza

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Chivanhu is the folkloric, culture and conduct of Shona people in Zimbabwe (i.e. tsika nemagariro) and furthermore, Chivanhu encompasses operative magick and divining magick as a means of ancestor worship (or the veneration of the dead).

If 'Chivanhu' involves both operative magick and divining magick why do some people say that Chivanhu is compatible with Christianity?

So can Zimbabwe's African Traditional Religion really be compatible with the Bible?
 

Numero Uno

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Chivanhu is the folkloric, culture and conduct of Shona people in Zimbabwe (i.e. tsika nemagariro) and furthermore, Chivanhu encompasses operative magick and divining magick as a means of ancestor worship (or the veneration of the dead).

Where are the elements of divining and operative magick in Chivanhu chedu?
 

Queen

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Where are the elements of divining and operative magick in Chivanhu chedu?

You should know that Chivanhu can be used for divination purposes and predicting future events. Doing so acknowledges the presence of divining magick in Chivanhu.

In addition, appeasing ancestral spirits, mashavi, etc supports my point of saying there is definitely operative magick in Chivanhu.

Even witchcraft in Zimbabwe is done through the means of being familiar with Chivanhu--you don't just do that out of nowhere.
 

Numero Uno

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What's the similarity between Chivanhu and Kabbalah?
 

Queen

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What's the similarity between Chivanhu and Kabbalah?

The similarity between Cabala (Qabala or Kabbalah) and Chivanhu is that they can also both be classified as occult sciences. In fact, Cabala has what they call practical magic.
 
What's the similarity between Chivanhu and Kabbalah?

Probably how in Kabbalah they can create a 'Golem' and in Chivanhu people can create their own 'Chikwambo'.
 

Bla Jedza

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Probably how in Kabbalah they can create a 'Golem' and in Chivanhu people can create their own 'Chikwambo'.

So a golem is just the same thing as a chikwambo?
 
So a golem is just the same thing as a chikwambo?

Yes, a golem serves its creator in the same manner chikwambo serves its owner.

And in Kabbalah operative magic they have been doing this since way back and this is also the case for African Religion before colonization.

There is nothing new under the sun.
 
If 'Chivanhu' involves both operative magick and divining magick why do some people say that Chivanhu is compatible with Christianity?

So can Zimbabwe's African Traditional Religion really be compatible with the Bible?

The African Traditional Religion side of 'Chivanhu' is the one that is NOT compatible with Christianity. I am talking about things like:
  • Necromancy.
  • Witchcraft.
  • Theurgy.
  • Oneirocritics.
  • etc.
Anything else is okay because 'Chivanhu' also instructs people to observe good manners and ubuntu. There is nothing wrong with that. Even Christianity encourages people to live in harmony with each other.
 

Queen

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So a golem is just the same thing as a chikwambo?

Yeah, there isn't any major difference between a golem and chikwambo. They are all the same.

This is done by a process of turning an inanimate object to life via magick! But it's not something to play with. It's serious business and very deadly.
 

Bla Jedza

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The African Traditional Religion side of 'Chivanhu' is the one that is NOT compatible with Christianity. I am talking about things like:
  • Necromancy.
  • Witchcraft.
  • Theurgy.
  • Oneirocritics.
  • etc.
Anything else is okay because 'Chivanhu' also instructs people to observe good manners and ubuntu. There is nothing wrong with that. Even Christianity encourages people to live in harmony with each other.

What is "Oneirocritics?"
 

Queen

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What is "Oneirocritics?"

Oneirocritics is part of divining magick. It's basically the process of foretelling the future via dreams.

It can, for example, be used to interpret whether someone has mashavi, mudzimu (spirit medium) or not.
 

Bla Jedza

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Oneirocritics is part of divining magick. It's basically the process of foretelling the future via dreams.

It can, for example, be used to interpret whether someone has mashavi, mudzimu (spirit medium) or not.

So can oneirocritics be used to tell if someone has shavi renjuzu?
 

Queen

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So can oneirocritics be used to tell if someone has shavi renjuzu?

Absolutely, yes. But these types of things are forbidden by the Bible.

Shavi renjuzu and the Holy Spirit don't mix well because God (Jehovah) is a jealous God.

One has to ONLY make room for the Holy Spirit and this obviously creates a conflict of interest to those who think they can blend African Traditional Religion (Chivanhu) and Christianity.

It even leads to more confusion for the uninformed since they are told if you reject shavi renjuzu you will suffer so you have to accept it.
 

Bla Jedza

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Does 'Chivanhu Chedu' accept and support the LGBT rights movement in Zimbabwe?
 
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Queen

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Does 'Chivanhu Chedu' accept and support the LGBT rights movement in Zimbabwe?

No. There isn't any gay rhetoric and cultural norms in Chivanhu.

In actuality, people are taught to maintain the family unit kuti dzinza rikure.

Hence, meaning people of opposite sex getting married and begetting children of their own. And also raising those children with the same moral compass of Chivanhu.
 

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