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Message: [QUOTE="Scorpio, post: 12404, member: 4"] The thing is [I]kuchaya mapoto[/I] is something men can do with ease, unlike women who will end up having second thoughts about the biological clock ticking (i.e., babies/motherhood) and the pressure of other women (e.g., friends, family, etc) asking why they are taking forever to get that ring. Hence, for the above-stated reasons, many women are likely to see the idea of [I]kubika mapoto[/I] as a waste of time yet simultaneously they will be heavily contradicting themselves saying marriage is not an achievement. If it's not an achievement she ought not to ask or wait for a ring during the course of [I]kuchayisa mapoto[/I]. [/QUOTE]